But as you went through that process and became incredibly famous...

There was a lot of embarrassing times.

I'd been in relationship with someone who was cheating on me and it got into the paper and then I find out through PR and it's a big story on a Sunday and you just feel humiliated.

why like why is this happening so things like that were always tough but on the flip side of that it's like you'd always find out in the end if something was going on like behind your back um just bad times I don't really drag it around with me it's not something that I feel like I've made peace with it.

It was part of the fame game.

Didn't sign up for that part.

I was 16, you know, I weren't thinking about the dark sides of fame when I was 16.

So then when that changes, what was that like? Do you remember that?

The

girls were so happy and they looked like, I was looking at them thinking, God, they look great and I feel terrible.

They look like really young and vibrant and I feel tired and worn out.

And I remember there was conversations, dressing room conversations like there always would be.

And I was like, I can't connect to this.

I had changed completely.

on a really deep, profound level, becoming a mum, but was expected to just be teeny bop a tash.

and Right Now five.

What was in the water?

I don't know.

I think I was having a bit of a mental breakdown after having my fifth kid.

Get me out the house.

No, I'm joking.

I'd been planning a comeback for a while.

I'd had some issues falling pregnant after getting married.

What was your process of finding these people?

Have you ever struggled with, you know, comparison?

Yeah.

It compa-- I think you're not human if that comparison feeling isn't coming into your mind.

But I have done this five times, and there's been not one part of the journey that's been perfect.

Sometimes I'm bossing it, and I'm thinking, "Oh, I'm doing quite well here." And other times, I'm running round looking an absolute mess, piles of clothing everywhere 'cause I've not had time to get on top of the washing.

The house is a mess.

But what's important? Are the kids safe? Are they being looked after emotionally? Uh, are they happy? They're the important things.

Being a musician and someone that people are used to seeing front and center of the stage and on TV and hearing on the radio, do you find that people automatically expect you to be confident just because you have a job that kind of presents that way, and when they find out that you might struggle, they might be a bit surprised by that?

With

Morpho, it was just set up out of the sheer shock and frustration of how much the industry has changed, but really not changed, if that makes any sense.

Also looking at what was missing when I was young, what would have helped me on my journey, a mentor.

Absolutely.

One million percent.

Why we weren't spoken to about either going to find one or being given mentors, someone to support or someone we could check in with once a week, a therapist.

Oh, my goodness.

Talk me through those songs.

Yeah.

Like, I want her to be focusing on the right things and not the superficial things.

And Ella's quite deep, like she's really ...

Like, th- she's, she's an empath, but she's super switched on.

You know, she says she wants to be an author when she's older.

And I think, you know, the bits I'm showing her is making her realize, that's probably not as important to me as maybe I thought it was.

Yeah.

Then we move on to Fantasy, which is actually a love letter to s- to yourself on about refinding who you are, who are you as the woman you stand today.

Yeah, of course.

I'm having a baby and I've come through a lot of hardship and a lot of mental health issues off the back of going through a divorce.

So there's my support system gone for a little while.

We did make amends in the end.

And then obviously I'm having a child with someone I don't really know.

And we were good friends, but it was quite telling early on that.

Things weren't great.

Yeah, to me