Um, so for someone listening who, you know, loves beer, um, never done a beer course, but might be interested, you know, what actually could they get from doing something like a WSET beer qualification?

Yeah.

I think the big thing is two of the things we've already talked about, this idea of structure and then this idea of understanding, so making those links.

When I first came to studying beer and going through the various certifications that I have, uh, the first one that I went to was Cicerone, so the Certified Beer Server exam, and then, uh, the Certified Cicerone and later Advanced Cicerone exam.

And with those exams, if you are a good self-studier, then they're, you know, something that you can take on.

Cicerone gives you a list of books, uh, and you kind of look at all these different books and pick out what you need to see what's gonna be relevant to the syllabus.

But for some people, self-study is just not what works for them, you know? And actually, I did recognize that and when, um, during lockdown, during COVID, I ran my own online beer school called Virtual Beer School, and I built a course to prepare people for their Cicerone certifications.

Yeah.