I asked her what she made of that suggestion that surrogacy in most cases amounted to de facto slavery.

She uses such shocking language that I think is designed to put people at polar opposites.

Surrogacy is not inherently exploitative, as she is describing.

There are occasions when that can happen, and I don't shy away from that.

What we need if we want to protect surrogates and children is proper regulation.

So I think what some of the countries that she's talking about is where there isn't that regulation or there's no laws and therefore there's a grey area and people can therefore exploit other people for financial gain.

And nobody that's in this sort of surrogacy space as a professional wants that to happen.

Could more be done or are the regulations all right in the UK as far as you're concerned?

And then when it comes to Mexico City or the UK, what reason do you find intended parents may choose a Mexico City pathway? Speed.

Speed.

That's the main thing that I'm seeing is the turnaround in terms of being matched with a surrogate and being able to have your embryo transfer.

So it's a very, very slick process.

So the surrogates, my understanding is that they are screened and ready to go by the time that you're also ready to go with your embryos.

So you have that matching process and you are matching much quicker in Mexico City than you would be in the UK.

Basically, there are more intended parents in the UK than there are surrogates.

Can you talk to us a little bit about what legal procedures take place in Mexico before and after birth? And how do these differ from what UK intended parents may

But what are all the legal parts around

that? Well, first of all, you have to realise that there is a legal dimension to it.

And some people don't.

So they will go ahead and perhaps have home insemination with a friend and they're not married.

And then they realise, oh, you're a legal parent and I wasn't expecting that.

But you want there to be a legal parent with your partner who you're not married to.

So, yes, it's understanding that there is a legal dimension and then taking that legal advice seriously.

my gosh.