
Natalie Maréchal
Managing Policy Director at the Institute for Information, the Internet, and Democracy at Northeastern University; tech policy researcher and digital rights advocate fighting for democracy against surveillance capitalism and technofascism.
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Jun 9, 2026
Bernie Goes Down the X-Risk Rabbithole (with Dr. Nathalie Maréchal), 2026.05.04
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Natalie MaréchalGUEST
Uh, it's nice that this guy thinks positively and seems to really believe in the power of positive thinking, you know? He's pushing back against Krueger's doom and gloom thing.

Natalie MaréchalGUEST
Uh, but what he's excited about is creating, uh, a new, uh, utopian world where, uh, pe- d- different species, including humans, superintelligence, the other animals, presumably the ones we have around today, can all coexist in one big happy s- symbiotic family, and that I think the way he's saying that we should bring that vision into being is by being more altruistic and compassionate to each other.

Natalie MaréchalGUEST
And then there's a bit of a leap, and I think what, what, what fills that gap i- what's meant to fill that gap is that we will produce more, uh, training data that is altruistic and compassionate-
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