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Natalie Maréchal

Natalie Maréchal

Managing Policy Director at the Institute for Information, the Internet, and Democracy at Northeastern University; tech policy researcher and digital rights advocate fighting for democracy against surveillance capitalism and technofascism.

Jun 9, 2026

41:03
[laughs] So anyhow, yeah, Natalie, your thoughts on this? [laughs]
41:07
Yeah, I mean, uh, okay.
41:09
So I'll, and I'll try to be charitable.
41:11
Uh, it's nice that this guy thinks positively and seems to really believe in the power of positive thinking, you know? He's pushing back against Krueger's doom and gloom thing.
41:21
Uh, but what he's excited about is creating, uh, a new, uh, utopian world where, uh, pe- d- different species, including humans, superintelligence, the other animals, presumably the ones we have around today, can all coexist in one big happy s- symbiotic family, and that I think the way he's saying that we should bring that vision into being is by being more altruistic and compassionate to each other.
41:54
I think...
41:55
And then there's a bit of a leap, and I think what, what, what fills that gap i- what's meant to fill that gap is that we will produce more, uh, training data that is altruistic and compassionate-

5 MINS LATER

47:27
In real life, yeah

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