But yeah, tell us, tell us about, you know, some of the highs and lows of your adventure racing and ultra-running career to date.

[laughs] Oh, thank you so much.

Uh, well, yeah, it's a privilege to run with Ian and, uh, race with Ian, so if anyone hasn't seen that episode, I definitely recommend listening to his experience of the Adventure Racing World Champs in Canada last year.

Um, uh, but yeah, so, uh, my background is from adventure racing.

I've been doing that for kind of over 13, 14, maybe even 17 years now.

Uh, and, um, I do get sleep, uh, but, uh, as I've kind of got more, uh, experience in adventure racing, like, the things that I can add to the team are logistics and, uh, um, like, that kind of planning and, uh, side of things.

But, uh, the guys in my teams are definitely the navigators and, uh, because of that they need a little bit more sleep 'cause their brains are working a lot harder.

Oh, cool