The partial shutdown is now the longest in American history.

Some airports have turned to private security.

Only twenty US airports use it, including major hubs like San Francisco International and Kansas City International.

Joining us now, John Pistole, former TSA administrator, Nat Carmack, BOS Security President.

Great to have you both with us.

Um, John, I'll, I'll start off with you.

I mean, in terms of how, how this has played out, this is obviously a very long shutdown.

Now, the s- managers, supervisors, executives, and all the equipment and all those protocols and policies and procedures, those are still under TSA direction and control, but the frontline workforce, uh, might be privatized, like you say, in San Francisco or Kansas City.