And Do you feel like it was you intentionally walking closer with death and opening more to its medicine that helped you make peace with uncertainty, friends with uncertainty, perhaps even devotion to uncertainty? Yeah.

When, after that period in my life, that was actually around the same time that Nine Keys was being born.

So the Ninkey School of Death Arts was being born at that time.

And I had been working stacked, hot, thick as a death worker in Atlanta, busy all the time in all sorts of death and dying situations, as you know my story, and riddled with uncertainty and being around people who were facing the most terrifying death times in their life losing a loved one right or losing a loved one after you just had children with them right like really hard things and i could feel this a dissonance between me walking in with certainty And there being so much of the un in the room, right? And it's partly why that is one of the principles of Nine Keys, Mary Grace, is I want my students to really get to know uncertainty because I think we're assholes if we try to be death workers and we walk around and we walk into a house with so much certainty in ourselves and our lives and these are my plans and this is what I'm going to do with my life, right? And you're walking in to meet someone who at the age of 42 and their life is ending.

And so we have to look at our relationship with this first before we can serve.

people who are standing on death's doorstep, right? Going into the greatest uncertainty.

And uncertainty is, I was thinking about this before we got on this call today, and I was like, wait a minute, is uncertainty an emotion? Or is uncertainty a feeling? Is it a thought? I was like, what is it? I'd actually never sat down all these years and thought, what is it itself, right? Do you want to hear what I came up with? Yeah, of

What is really up for you right now in your life? And I think before you answer that, like work-wise, what has you really just turning towards life with a smile on your face? What's really feeding you? Oh, well,