But who has surprised you that they came in with this persona and they were really soft and kind inside?

Oh, that kind of surprise.

Well, Whitney comes to mind.

She came in very

powerful, extremely confident.

See, first I met her when she was 11 years old on my session, Garden Love Light.

A little girl, Sissy Houston's daughter.

Was that a side quest or was that something that you were destined to do? I wish,

They sent the Shannon Rubicam-

Uh, I got, uh-huh.

I got, I got...

They had, like, a little demo of it, but it wasn't complete.

I said, "Well, wait a minute.

It's a good chorus, but the song's not complete.

The only way I can ever do this is, like, is make it a strong songAnd they say, "Okay, wait, let me get back to the writers." They call the writers.

You know, what, how much does your role shift?

So hereby, you are, you are hereby invited, but the first moment you recall in life being connected deeply with music, what was that?

First moments? Oh, I, I loved like Frank, um, Froggy Went a Courtin' and he'd lie when I was a little, little kid, little two-year-old.

Those little nursery rhymes are so cool.

My dad would buy 'em for me, and they would be just so sweet on a, on the record player.

You know, um, mambo music.

Um, looking at the g- beautiful covers of the ladies on the covers of the mambo music and hearing George Shearing with Peggy Lee.

That album, the live album, Beauty and the, and the Beat it was called, I think.

Talk about your first time running into and then ultimately making great magic with Aretha Franklin