Mm.

Like, I just wanna come up with something on my own and see it through on my own.

I don't know when that happened, but I, I had to be somewhere in college where I was just like, "Okay," like, the mind shift.

And I was like, "Okay, wait.

No, I can, I can do this." And I still...

No, I don't.

I was about to tell a lie.

The gain staging is a little different there

And so did you get into production, like, kind of hearing this music and trying to recreate those beats? Was that kind of the, the way that you got into making beats and making synth tracks?

A little bit.

I think what...

Who really got me was one of my friends, who I'm still close to, um, their name is NJ- MJ.

Shout out to MJ.

Um, they know who they are.

[laughs] MJ.

The gain staging is a little different there