So tell us more about the swimming teaching that you do with, uh, Black Tri Tribe.

Yeah.

So I've been teaching with them from the very beginning.

It's getting adults back swimming.

You know, a lot of adults, especially Black adults, haven't really learned to swim, and it's not something that they regularly do for leisure, and it's just encouraging them to get in that water and know that it's a safe space and teach them something they may not have been taught as children.

And actually, there are quite a few people now that just go out, do lots of, um, competitions like the Swim Serpentine, um, getting used to open water and just going on that journey and seeing what they can do, and taking part in triathlon as well, because that's a key thing for people.

The swimming part isn't necessarily the most loved.

What's the greatest barrier for Black athletes trying to get into outdoor sports, do you think?