Talk us through that journey there, how you got there, how... how even Simon came into that, into the fold, you know, within your life there.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

So I think my want to begin really actively playing in bands like outside of the school setting The point of that sort of want cultivating within me to actually really being stuck into bands in the playing sense, buying gear sense, playing gigs, writing sense.

There was quite a big gap.

I began going to sort of local punk shows around where I went to school.

which is in a town called Bray, south of Dublin, and had an immense DIY punk scene for its size, like down into sort of little towns further south of there, further out from Dublin.

There was just these life affirming gigs and like punk collectives and stuff like scenes and memories that like fuel me to this day.

Is there anything else you would say to those people based on your experiences?