What happened after that? Was there this place that you went to this glorious paradise, the land flowing with milk and honey? Did you see angels? Was there any of that that took place as well?

Yes.

So that part of it, the bigger part.

What's really truly termed the near-death experience happened a couple days later.

So this was just enough to be, I was starting to question what I thought was reality.

That was all it did.

It was like, what in the world was that? That doesn't make any sense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I was on the hood trying to hang on because I thought, well, shoot, if I hit the pavement, I'm dead.

But because of where I landed, I couldn't grab onto anything.

So I basically just slid down the hood as she's driving.

She still doesn't see me, by the way.

So she's driving like she's going home, you know, she's going home from the grocery store.

And so I slid down and I couldn't, there was like, I just couldn't grab onto anything.

about that story because it's a beautiful story.

'Cause they go into the cocoon, don't they, as a caterpillar, and come out as a butterfly.

You're, you're right on with that.

I mean, they go through, uh, a very incredible metamorphosis, and in that respect that those dreams...

And that's how I-- what I mean by those dreams I think were kind of preparing me for a, for a metamorphosis of my own.

Uh, and, and these are documented.

Actually, it's interesting because I did talk to my sister about these in early December of that year and a really good friend of mine, and I- it's probably even documented in email somewhere about these, you know, butterfly dreams, so I'm not making this stuff up.

[laughs] It's just too weird to make up.

And what sort of landscape were you in?

Okay.

... with a really good, um, resource for your friend and- and your friend's husband.

There is a- a global organization, it's international, called Helping Parents Heal.

Helping Parents Heal, and it's- it was originally specifically be- begun to help parents of ch- children who have- who have died by suicide.

So, that's the first thing that I would say is to pass that along 'cause that has helped so many parents, so many parents.

Um, second thing is that there- there- there is no judgment.

Your s- the- the- your friend's son is certainly where he needs to be, which is in love with the divine, with the creator.

(laughs) How about you, Nancy?