And I wonder though, when did you choose pastels?

Well, I grew up as an oil painter.

I started working with oil probably junior high, high school.

And again, I didn't have a lot of instruction because we didn't have much of an art department, but the extension classes really helped through the U of I.

So I painted in oil.

I started plein air painting with the beginning plein air group in Chicago.

I think we started in the early two thousands and somebody had given me a set of pastels in 1988.

Were you always kind of focused on like the landscape, the plein air kind of thing? Or was there like a journey of where you kind of started? Did you start with still life and portraiture and go there? What was your kind of your