What did you see on that spectrum? Um,

You know, it is different.

I do a lot of work with Tennessee, North Carolina, different states across the country.

And the nonprofit sector is different in those places.

And yet, in many ways, we're all the same.

I mean, we're all trying to do very similar things.

And so we're all trying to figure out how do we advance nonprofits as the critical areas that it is, you know, what does that mean in our state? Maybe there's a different flavor because of our legislature or our culture or, you know, whatever it might be.

I love the way you phrased that because I think I did see that I don't think I could have articulated that or described it but when I when I step back I'm like yeah I I get that I think that was happening um Nancy what did you see and again using that word vibe which covers what did you think

Right.

I see that.

I see a lot of kind of lack of connection to each other that there's so much learning from each other that can happen that I, you know, just coming back from this conference, we had volunteer managers all in one room.

We had a room of 50 people and they're talking, well, I do it this way.

I do it this way.

What if I, you know, and they're starting to talk to each other in really powerful ways.

The last thing I see that I think is, problematic is that we go all in on training.

But what are you looking for, Nancy, that would maybe demonstrate a little healthier culture?