Mm-hmm.

And, um, and at one point I was in between jobs and, and, uh, Carmen, my girlfriend at the time, was working at Spaghetti Western on Lower, Lower Haight, and her coworker, Esther, fellow, um, fellow waitress, um, was gonna open the first piercing shop in San Francisco.

And I was like, "Eh, I don't know.

You know, I don't want to pierce, you know?" I had been piercing kind of in the Lower East Side before I left a little bit, but, you know, amateur hour stuff.

Um, and also like tattooing wasn't available, you know? Um, as much as I wanted to do it, there was no, uh, you know, the, the guardrails were on.

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I wouldnUm, fine line tattoo on first and first