So when you were designing it, what were some of the hardest design decisions? What did you have to let go of in the initial idea of the systems transformation pathway? And yeah, what were the tensions in creating the course so that it would be recognizable in the IB?

Yeah, and this is where working collaboratively has been really important.

So, you know, Jenny Gillett at the IB has been sort of the main person.

And Maria and her, you could say, were kind of the main point people who are incredible people to work with.

And so there were lots of things that were kind of sort of tension points, some of them bigger and some of them smaller in that sort of sense.

So one of them, for example, was the very idea of having 14 points attached had no kind of exam to it, which is the best way to standardize something, right? From an IB kind of assessment lens.

That was hard.

How are we, how are we navigating that line?