... as compensations.

You know, before, before we go to talk about toxicity, I think about it this way, that there are five main reasons people get sick.

Co- with complex chronic illness, not acute illnesses, but persistent chronic infections, environmental toxins, stresses, and a lot of people have had adverse childhood events or personal stresses they're going through at the same time, diet and lifestyle, and their genes.

And when people have the first four going on persistently, they get persistent inflammation, persistent oxidative stress, and they get stuck in this loop of those two things, and now we have persistent inflammation, oxidative stress meeting the genes, meeting the different systems of the body, and now we have these secondary downstream illnesses.

And what I found is that when we're working, w- when we work with the systems first, the downstream issues first, I'll call that mast cell activation syndrome, I'll call that autoimmunity, I'll call that endocrine disruption, um, SIBO, leaky gut.

When, when we can deal with these, which have...

Really, these things have become, I would say, the ultimate root cause of-

Yes

If you had to come up with a long list of potential different causes, and I know we don't have all the time in the world, but what would you say are some of the most important ones that would come to mind?

So I think about infections and infections that can cross the blood brain barrier specifically.

I've seen in my clinical practice a lot of cognitive decline in people who have tick-borne disease, mold issues.

And here's the thing with these patients, it's never just one infection.

It's never just one toxin, as you well know.

We have many chronic infections all at once.

So typically I'm seeing Lyme and co-infections like Bartonella, Babesia, or Lichia.

So you can't blame this all on genetics, in my opinion.

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Ha.

I wanted to go deeper with people and, and I understood that...

When you brought up humanity, that's the part I'm talking about, that piece that where, where the spirit meets the bones.Where the bio industry meets what's happening in- internally in the person.

And so I knew that it was in that, that space of complex chronic illness for sure.

Um, as far as working with women, well, I think it's because I am one, and I understand what, what women go through in this world, what they have gone and what I think they continue to go through in, in their bodies, but also just, just by function of, of, of being alive as a woman on this planet, the things we experience and, and how I see a, a lot of what happens in women's lives like, um, their traumas, how that intermingles with sickness.

in the processes?

Yes.