So in this context, with all that's going on, how do we defend freedom of expression when the attacks don't always look like attacks?

Well, there's, there's many answers, right? I think that is true.

I think the basic piece here is that we keep using our rights.

We keep, uh, occupying space.

We don't obey in advance, and we say what we can i- as f- as long as we can.

And I mean, traditionally, in very repressive regimes, arts and culture, the storytelling, the narrative shifts- Uh, theater and, um, uh, you know, book writing can tell these stories ab- u- use allegories to tell stories about how to resist authoritarians or brutal dictators.

I mean, the Wizard of Oz, you know, reportedly is about the gold standard, right? And how we overcome capture of the economic system.

What does backfire mean? How should artists and activists use it to turn repression into a strategic advantage?