Let's dive even deeper into that question of where do the interests and the demarcation lines lie? I mean, if we speak now about the substantive issues on the edge of copyright and AI, like how do we go about data mining? What does it mean to train the systems on existing copyrights? What does it mean in relationship to media companies? Morten, what does it make particularly challenging for tech companies to tackle these substantive issues with potential right holders? in Germany and Europe?

Europe, I think, is challenging because it's not a single issue environment.

If you litigate an AI dispute in Europe, you're really litigating only copyright.

You may be litigating copyright and database rights, but also data protection, Personality rights, platform obligations, unfair competition, consumer protection, all this comes together.

And that makes Europe difficult for companies that want a simple yes or no answer.

Just for example, under EU copyright law, text and data mining is permitted in important circumstances.

But the analysis turns on lawful access.

So help us to look a little bit into the head of those who call the shots.