Sometimes.

Sometimes, yeah.

The, I f- I feel sometimes I, I did a reffing course many years ago, and I still remember that the refs, and that was when it was two referees.

One's supposed to be watching the ball, what's happening on the ball, and some- the other person is supposed to be scanning, whether you're trail or lead, depending where the ball is.

There's three of them in Sydney.

Deli is just pushing and holding and literally, literally, and I use the word literally correctly here, literally holding Anas off the ball, away from the play, and he's trying to push him off.

And the refs, and the refs are all watching the ball.

I, I love Holt.