And I'm wondering how those experiences, that background that you have, how that helps you in your work at NASA.

It's a great question.

When I was in grad school and doing my training, like you mentioned, I focused a lot on interpersonal relationships, empathy, nonverbal behavior.

And typically, I was interested in how those played out in the general population.

So how do we measure these things? And how do those create the dynamics of these relationships we have? I sometimes studied them in doctor-patient relationships.

I worked with some hospitals and was looking at how can we optimize the communication communication with doctors to help support their patients.

And it's interesting because those same questions are still relevant here, but with just more nuanced factors or different sort of lenses of working at them.

Could you tell me a little bit about that and sort of the data you can collect from those simulated environments?