They might start natural and they might be enhanced and maybe that might be, you know, something that they decide to do on their own or they've been told by coaches or people, you'll never make it in this industry if you don't become enhanced, which is, so much bullshit because there's incredible natural athletes out there I've been doing this sport for 20 years all natural despite what people say and when I heard that you did your pro show natural I was just like so enrolled in just the the authenticity but also the it takes a lot for someone to do that And I would love to hear your experience around that and even what you notice between maybe your relationship with yourself now with bodybuilding and how it's changed since doing it naturally and if there's any kind of advice that you'd want to give to some of the younger girls who may feel the pressure to go down the enhanced road but actually would love to be able to do it naturally.

Yeah, well, I think you are my shining light throughout that whole prep.

If there was one thing that I would anchor to daily, weekly, every time I got nervous or whatever, I was like, if Hattie can do it, I can do it.

Hattie can do it.

But you know what? So I won my pro guide in my second season of competing, but I had never competed naturally.

So I did my first show naturally.

I did my second show.

of all good.