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... because they're trying to find the best behavior.

Um, but, you know, there's, there's good reason why we, quote, unquote, "are meeting them at their worst." You know, they're going through significant relationship change and dynamic, um, great level of uncertainty, not in their own life, but the people they hold more, most precious, their children.

And what that's taught me is that humans, we, we become deeply vulnerable, and in those circumstances, harm, not only, um, harm prevention, but harm to oneself, harm to others, is just so acutely felt and so prevalent.

Whilst that isn't, I guess, a, a happy story about what it's taught me about people, it's, it's a real story.

If you have p- um, members in your family or broader community potentially going through it, it's a very isolating experience for many.

Bring them in.

Has there been a particular case or cases that you think back now and have left an imprint on your heart?