So speaking of tests, what preventative tests or diagnostics do you wish more patients asked for?

Well, going back to what you would ask for, you can go on the American Heart Association.

There is now what we call a prevent score.

And we use that daily.

We use that all the time.

It is called prevent, like you said, preventative medicine.

So it does take into account you know, things like your weight, your diabetes, your A1C, you know, blood work sometimes does not lie.

so how do lifestyle factors like diet exercise and stress management compared to medications for improving cardiac outcomes

Yeah.

We created kind of stealth programs that did this and it was a lot of fun and then COVID hit us and we didn't get to follow through.

But the few times that we were able to hold kind of these questions where we explored big, these kind of programs where we explored big questions through a pop culture lens, we use pop culture kind of as our guiding tool.

quote-unquote sacred kind of text they showed up and they were ready to have those conversations they were ready to talk about good and evil and death and loss and grief and knowledge and power and they were they were down for those conversations when it's framed around harry potter or the chronicles of narnia or you know something where they don't feel like they're gonna someone's gonna try to convert them then they were very open to it So that was a lot of fun.

So I'm still seeing that.

I'm still seeing the imposter syndrome, this pressure and the stress.

But the consumer mindset and the way their attention has been trained by growing up as a digital native and the suspicion of institutions, not just religious institutions, all institutions, they're suspicious of the school.

You know,

the biggest hurdle for a lot of what's the biggest hurdle a lot of veterans face when they're coming out and hit that va wall

yeah one is um one they they think if they go in and that they're How would you say this? That their claim isn't as important as somebody that got physically injured.

They, you know, just, they think just because they didn't lose a limb or they didn't get a TBI or they didn't get something like that, that their claim is not as important or that they're taking money away from another veteran that needs it more.

You know, something to that effect, just, you can't think like that.

You, you earned it.

If you went and you, um, you know, if you have a legitimate claim, then you have to go in and start writing down the claim.

You'll go into the va.gov and start putting down, uh, I always tell all my vet head to toe, you've got to do a head to toe kind of surveillance of yourself and, uh, and, and see what it is you're going to claim.

And then maybe for a while after.