Mm-hmm

... two years, I believe, in Utah, and that is where, um, you see a lot of that negative reinforcement of the adults when that behavior, that disruptive behavior particularly is stopped temporarily, uh, with a lot of the times it is the removal of the student from the classroom.

Um, and I've...

It's interesting because I feel like on social media and things like that, there's kind of this as we're trying to push for more reinforcement based procedures or interventions in the school, you kind of are seeing some pushback from teachers, um, where the perception is a little interesting there, where, you know, they'll kind of...

Teachers might say, "Oh, they got to go to the principal's office, but they came back with candy," or things like that.

Yeah.

So that's the stand one.

Um, stand two is then the recognition piece.