How competitive is it in that sort of first team environment to get that bib and be on court, especially when you're trying to stay there for a four-year period?

Yeah, it's definitely very, very competitive.

I mean, I know I came and was so nervous when I first came in first year.

It was just you had all these big names.

I came and Mary Chalk was there and you had Jazz Brown, Alex Johnson.

Like, genuinely you come and you're just like wow, like in awe of everyone because obviously everyone is at the top of their game.

And I just think no matter- If you're in ones or twos, that's performance in Netball, it's always a challenge to, you know, keep your bib and keep your role on court as it is in any netball, 'cause you've always got to stay at the top of your game.

H- how on earth did that happen? [laughs]