Moises, do you want to kick us off? Is he talking to you? Sure.

Yeah, look, I've mixed feelings on the whole situation because I I've been in change rooms before where there's been ball tampering.

There's no doubt about that.

However, what I will say, and this is probably in defense of maybe the fast bowlers and the bowlers and I guess everyone who hasn't served a penalty, I've never been in a change room in my entire cricket career.

where there's a team meeting that gets pulled together about, oh, hey, everyone, we're going to ball tamper, by the way, FYI.

Hands up who agrees with the plan.

It's just not how it works.

How could you not know or notice that that's being done?

you know, there's a few

– you might have had a scan last week, but you're not getting scans every week.

Sometimes the scan will rule you out no matter how much you want to play.

The physio will say it's too much of a risk.

The doctor will say it's too much of a risk and whatever it might be.

But essentially, you know as a player before every game – as you said, I don't want to – I don't want to take the field and then not finish the game and leave the team with 10 men.

10 men, exactly.

uh i use a really good clean ball striker um good player of spin yeah right um still figuring out how to piece in innings together i think but just in potential wise with t20 cricket red ball cricket you know he's really building this this complete package um and has been noted by new south wales cricket hence why he's being captain so um great nod of the cup to him um marie anything to add on him

I just feel like if you've got to make a stance

– I think that – I know, again, it's a difficult one to defend.

But for me – for that one for Manus and he's that guy, like, as you mentioned, I'm, I'm with you in the camp that I, I want him to do well because Australia needs him playing well because he is the guy, you know, I guess that can move Steve Smith's legacy forward.

Once Steve retires, he can occupy the crease.

He's niggly.

He brings that competition while he's batting.

He does all those things.

But in that team, Mo, you would always not bowl yourself a lot of overs to make sure that you gave bowlers every opportunity to fulfil their four

What a catch.

Yeah, that was an absolute blinder.

Uh, repaired a, like maybe a little bit of a mistake from both or maybe both of them in terms of Carey and, and Renshaw.

No one really wanted to catch it, and he'd moved so late to the ball.

But in those situations to, I guess, just to get a hand to it in the end, react so late, um, and still take the catch is low and down to your right, I mean, that's, that's one hell of a grab.

You could see how surprised he was [laughs] when he took it.

The, you know, he had the, all the facial expressions going.

This guy, every time, just gets it done, doesn't he?

Mm

... you know, just saying, "Oh, by the way, we're not, we're not picking you because of how you bowled last game," or, you know, "It's not because of how you..." But you, you kinda want that as part of your sort of ethos as a team.

If it is horses for courses, you really wanna make that clear and set up some safety nets around that in, in terms of the team culture.

'Cause you can talk about it and say it, but then it's not that easy to just leave people out aside.

Someone comes in, performs well.

Someone in shield cricket performs well while you're sitting out, what-

Yeah

Hazlewood, Starc, you know, these guys that you could easily select because they were that good.

Working with a batting lineup we've just played there, what's the batting order in your book?

book?I mean, that's a, it's a great call, um, and it's a good conundrum for the Australian team afterla- after that.

I think after the first innings, and of course I'm, I'm extremely biased towards my, my great mate Nick Maddinson.

Um, there was a lot of criticism of him after the first innings, um, but I loved how he came out in the second innings, and even some of his comments in the media afterwards about, you know, the, the great level of that kids are.

Um, and he was able to still come out in that second innings with a really positive mindset, and it actually sort of just kickstarted...

W- we're probably still in a bit of a, a, a tough situation when we first came out, and going into stumps that night at none for 30.

It was only five or six overs, but going into stumps at none for 30, and then the next day, all of a sudden we're sort of one for a or one for 70 off 10 overs, and South Africa almost out of the game at that point, unless there's a huge batting order collapse.

Mm

214, I reckon.

Even if you take all of his runs out, it's still a pretty close game.

So, you know, we won by a fair chunk.

And, I mean, at the end of the day, one of your tops, you can't expect... two of your top six or three of your top six to all score hundreds.

I think if you've got one going, and that's the whole reason you can't have, you're not going to have six or seven batters performing well in every single game, especially in conditions like they faced over there.

It wasn't an easy batting track.

So, yeah, I think there's maybe some kudos there to the selectors for moving Renshaw down to five rather than opening.

Any thought on that?

No.

Now, take your blue bagger hat off.

I know because he's from New South Wales, you guys just think everyone should be playing test cricket.

But I know you get your baggy blue cap and then you get your baggy green cap in the same box.

But there's no way in the world, you know, that was a left field decision and you have to expect a cop criticism.

Now, I'm not saying I'm not supportive of it.

I'm just saying what they're basically saying is there is no one in first class cricket.

So my question to you is, now that I've identified what a Nuffy is, who's the biggest cricket Nuffy that you played with and why?

You were boots on the ground.

Run us through what it was like for that series.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, that was just an epic series in terms of the quality of cricket.

And, like, I was there carrying drinks for the Aussie boys, and I vividly remember watching from the sideline thinking, God, this is good.

Like, this is such good cricket.

I remember Dale Steyn bowling gas at Port Elizabeth in the second test with a big reverse swinging ball.

I reckon they've played out of their skins the last couple of years.

have a vape

with me.

Did your mum pack that lunch for you, mate? But, you know, a couple of years later, he had two good years for St.

George.

You know, couldn't quite crack.

I think he might have played a bit of second level cricket at New South Wales.

Couldn't quite crack it there.

Where do you see him ranking with Cooper? You know, obviously probably not on par, but not far behind.

Mm

... to, to a batting technique.

And I didn't understand up until however long that how much, I think, your mental state and all that, um- Was how important that was to, to batting especially- Right ...

I think.

Um, but yeah, and, and I was always chasing the error I'd last made or the last, the last innings I'd, I'd managed to fuck up.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and go I, I got out, caught behind last, like, last game.

It sounds like that was your experience a little bit as well.

[laughs]

... you know, not fearing anything, um, the reality sort of sets in that, oh, geez, I've, I've actually got to start performing now.

I can't run on potential forever.

And, um, when that sets in, that you're sort of, you know, you, you understand you're only three or four games away from getting the sack at any point, um, you know, the...

Sometimes you can build up a bit of a fear of failure that can, that can definitely hold you back.

And I think I've spent a lot of my career as captain or as a leader trying to sort of remove that fear of failure and sort of, I guess, reword it as an opportunity to, to learn from our mistakes or to learn from our success in that moment, you know, rather than sort of fearing the opportunity that we might fail, um, or the chance that we might fail.

So just ch- sort of trying to change the language on how we, on how our teams and players sort of went into battle.

Can't imagine that's an easy balance.

[laughs]

... you know, not fearing anything, um, the reality sort of sets in that, "Oh, geez, I've, I've actually gotta start performing now.

I can't run on potential forever." And, um, when that sets in, that you're sort of, you know, you, you understand you're only three or four games away from getting the sack at any point, um, you know, the...

Sometimes you can build up a bit of a fear of failure that can, that can definitely hold you back, and I think I spent a lot of my career as captain or as a leader trying to sort of remove that fear of failure and sort of, I guess, reword it as an opportunity to, to learn from our mistakes or to learn from our success in that moment, you know, rather than sort of fearing the opportunity that we might fail, um, or the chance that we might fail.

So just ch- sort of trying to change the language on how we, on how our teams and players sort of went into battle, you know, when the, when guys got thrown the, the ball in the 50th over or the 20th over, or when we're stuck in a run chase with sort of two or three overs to go.

I hope I was able to sort of change the mentality of just a few players who maybe might have withdrawn themselves in those situations.

But then, you know, o- over years of tutorage and care, they were able to sort of walk tall-ly and proudly into those situations.

Can't imagine that's an easy balance.

How did you react when you heard that might have been the case?

Yeah, that was the case.

But, I mean...

Yeah, I was obviously disappointed.

I love the club and love being a part of the club.

But, you know, at the end of the day, I also understood the logic of, you know, last year wasn't my... realistically speaking wasn't my most productive year with bat in hand and decisions like that tend to happen when I guess a player of my age you're sort of expected to be performing more consistently and more often and otherwise clubs and teams would want to take that risk on a younger player that they can develop and that's all part and parcel of sport and professional cricket obviously I would have loved to continue with the Sixers but they didn't see it that way and that's fine but yeah there was interest elsewhere around to go and play for other big bash teams but but it just didn't feel right.

So it took me a little bit of time to make sure that that's what I was sure about and understanding that.

Looking back over those, what, 22 years, what's the one moment that stands out?

But then how you do find the courage to be able to tell your story.

My first, I appreciate that a very kind words.

Um, and, but I guess.

Yeah, it was a long journey in terms of the whole mental health thing that got me to actually, I guess, what I would call rock bottom that then I go, I can't keep living my life like this.

I've got to actually do something about this.

And I think sort of depression and anxiety had been sort of tickling under the bonnet from maybe 24 or 25 years of age.

And Like I was that punk 18, 19 year old kid that sort of came into the New South Wales system.

But, no, I think that was certainly a rule in my career as well.