Yeah.

We all believe, uh, or rather, me and Dr. Andy, we believe in a god.

But the reason I want to, uh, use the word ultimate cause is to accommodate or also address those interlocutors who don't believe in a god, but they have to believe in a cause for an effect.

This is something which is a ration necessary, meaning we do believe that every effect has a cause.

So the universe that we see around us, the cosmos that we see around us, it must have a cause.

Now, who, what is this cause? Whether you call it a god, whether you call it ultimate cause, essentially we are referring to, to the same thing.

Uh, and finally, I also want to mention that from what I read of Dr. Andy's book, I think the conclusion is, and he can correct me on this, that, yes, in essence, we believe that... we, we believe in a god, but the nature and the modality of this god is, uh, significantly different, um, because of the Trinity, the doctrine of the Trinity, and because of who Jesus is.

... and then I'll, um, I'll reflect when I say something.