What is the benefit of having a single platform And why is that good for an enterprise customer? Why is that good for a hyperscaler? What's the end outcome that you get by having a single platform with Cisco compared to not?

I'll take the first part and what Cisco used to do and what Cisco does now.

We used to do, we always did ASIC design or silicon development, but it was mainly ASIC flow.

What is ASIC flow? ASIC flow means you do the front, the architecture, the front end design, the RTL coding, the verification, and then you hand it over to another company to build the silicon.

That comes with some price, some cost.

The cost is not just financial cost.

It's not as optimized because the vendor, as an ASIC vendor, wants to make sure they have enough margins for their manufacturing so they can keep increasing their gross margins and squeezing profit out of these devices.

is that important for the customer?

What is the benefit of having a single platform And why is that good for an enterprise customer? Why is that good for a hyperscaler? What's the end outcome that you get by having a single platform with Cisco compared to not?

Okay, I'll take the first part and what Cisco used to do and what Cisco does now.

We used to do, we always did ASIC design or silicon development, but it was mainly ASIC flow.

What is ASIC flow? ASIC flow means you do the front, the architecture, the front end design, the RTL coding, the verification, and then you hand it over to another company to build the silicon.

That comes with some price, some cost.

The cost is not just financial cost.

It's not as optimized because the vendor, as an ASIC vendor, wants to make sure they have enough margins for their manufacturing so they can keep increasing their gross margins and squeezing profit out of these devices.

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