Knowing how you feel.

I think in, like, a post sort of Brene Brown, like, label the emotion.

I think, um, I'm watching reality TV, and I'm seeing a lot of the kiddos, like, really label their feeling and whatever.

And I'm kinda like, the way I understood myself or got to any sort of semblance of healing things was, like, watching movies and crying too much and not knowing why.

And then, like...

Or seeing something and feeling a big feeling and not knowing until maybe, like, a few years later when I'd felt enough emotions in general to then maybe process my own.

Right.

But what I'm curious here is at what point, and I find this in all communities and all institutions and the collapse, at what point are the most responsible the Ed Sheerans not the actual perpetrators of Zionism, and violence, and genocide, right? Like, he has to be...

... they're surviving out in the ocean.

And, like, as I'm, like, unlocking the memory of watching that at, like, what, six, I do remember, like, it is a slight performance, and this is, this is uncomfortable, of, like, maybe some cognitive disability.

[laughs] And, like, and, like, she gives, like...

I just remember looking at Madison Avenue for her name, being like, "Madison." And I'm going, "Uh-oh, uh-oh.

That's not a good rewatch, I don't think."

Where can people follow you? What's the tea? What's going on?

Hootie who.

Um, you can follow me at Mo Paw, M-E-A-U-X-P-A-S, I believe.

it really did kind of work

no I want to say full name because it's a good name but she was like the pretty girl and I'm not joking like I didn't have insecurity but like I was playing volleyball like I wasn't dating beauty was not my worry in like 8th grade and the mom in the middle of the night I'm going to the bathroom it's probably like midnight grabs me by the wrist goes Morgan I just want you to know you're not pretty like they won't know until later that you're very beautiful Oh, and she was like, you're very different.

You're very, and it was such a projection.

It was like, she was like, you're like me.

And did I say your name? No, I didn't.

Great.

So-and-so is her daughter.

We're getting into one.

Yeah

...there were so many things, but she, instead of being lauded for having pain, she has to channel it and put it into something, and she has to-- That those parts of herself that are self-critical, it's like, to me, that's, like, her processing the aspect that she's feeling.

Like, I'm feeling this way 'cause it's, um, her art is almost always, like, the self-portrait part isn't really... 'Cause she even said herself, they were like, "Why are you so self-possessed?" Uh, p- like, and obsessed and was the other word they used, which I thought was crazy.

Yeah, her shoes are different heights, yeah.

And you have to then seek out unique things that aren't a measure of capitalism, and there's not anything in the world for you.

So someone who is disabled mentally, physically, by any means or, or even marginalized are in, like in some way not provided for, then they do have to seek it out.

And in that seeking, you get to be very specific because y-you have, I mean you just have to.

And so I feel like injury and trauma of any sort go hand in hand because you can't avoid what you have to express because-

Yeah, it sounds like it.

Because not as a filmmaker, I think, not ba- I'm not saying bad.

I'm saying overrated, especially in terms of... 'Cause I saw Castle in the Sky in the we- over the weekend, 'cause I was like: I'm older, I wanna give it a try, I wanna see it.

And when I watched it with an open perspective, I went with a friend who really, really loves him, and I felt affirmed in my impulse that while it's beautiful and wonderful, it's a- there's a lot of inter- internalized misogyny under the performance of, like, a female-empowered voice.

But I always say, people can't tell the difference between a director who hates women or a director who hates women and loves his mom.

[chuckles]

Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff?

People can find, uh, they can listen to my podcast, We're Still New with Mo Fry Pasik.

... "You should feel insecure, and constantly on surveillance, and possibly disgusted by your own size and age." [laughs] Like-

Well, there's also the... always this, um, threat, like a woman ha- isn't able to change for good, or change, or let a p- version die, because you can't change for...

You can't get old.

But also, it was that trope of, like, the looming, "Well, you might get fat again, so you can't trust that the people like you for being hot," blah, blah, blah, "'cause you might get fat." It was like that always might come back, so then women were disgusted by having been a different weight.

And, like-It was just constantly a trap of your identity has to maintain this way or no one will love you.

Well, well tell us where people can follow your work, follow you online, et cetera.

Yes.

I would love for people to listen to my podcast, and I would love for both of you to be on, called Worse Than You with Mo Fry Passik, where I talk about people's creative process and how they make things, but in a way that is not like, "I get up, I d- I write, I this." It's the more abstract efforts that holistically create us and what makes us proud as artists and our themes, et cetera.

Where can, uh, where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff?

Um, please, um, join me and, uh, my podcast, uh, Worse Than You with Mo Frei Pasick.

Um, we break down sort of people's creative process, um, usually comedians, but also different artists, um, why they make their art, why it means something to them, and also just the logistical process of making things, 'cause again, very literal.

I need people to break it down.

Um, you can also follow me at, um, @mauxpas.

M-A-U-X-P-A-S.

And, um, I just, you know, touch a flower today.

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