Right.

Um, So normally that's how I'll start.

And then I'll kind of like pick up my guitar and be like, okay, what fits here? Sometimes I just start with just riffs, you know, but it pretty much always starts with some sort of guitar based thing or like a general idea of like, okay, I want a song that starts off with feedback and then it's just like a drum thing.

And then everything comes in and it's, you can think of it in terms of like, you know, not like verse, chorus, verse, chorus, but like, okay, slow part, blasty part, breakdown part, you know, like kind of compiling it that way and then refining it later on to be like, okay, this feels too copy and paste.

What can I do to make it feel like a song? Um, So that's sort of where I'm at right now with a lot of the songs that I'm writing, like new songs that I'm writing is like, okay, I have these selected riffs.

I have, you know, a song that has three or four sections or whatever it is.

How do I connect them so that it doesn't just feel like a demo? It feels like a song.

Like, just take us back both spiritually, like your walk of faith and musically along the way, like how how that all came together into one.