In your opinion, where should Washington still deny access and where should it switch to capability acquisition and how? Well,

yeah, that's a great question.

So I do look at all the tools in this toolbox equally.

I don't have a favorite one.

I don't like exclusion generally.

I'm not naturally an exclusion-minded individual, but I did business in China long enough to know, listen, I mean, the Chinese are not Boy Scouts when they play.

Sorry to be the one to, I love China more than anybody.

Can you please break that down for me and the listeners?