But I'm wondering, with all the conversations you're having with the big tech players and can talk a lot afterwards about success stories, but what do you see as the trends? What's happening in the terms or in the minds of the heads of supply chain that you deal with?

The very dominant is, and very clear, and this is, I think, since five, six years, actually very clear, is that the volatility is not like a one-time effect anymore.

It became a permanent feature in our business environment.

What you mentioned, right? We have the tariffs.

We have geopolitical uncertainties.

We have a changing trade policies or consumer demand patterns change.

We have regional disruptions.

There, we wanted to