Oh my gosh.

Having, having three kids.

Um, and I think it was hard.

It was, it was very hard to be, you know, in a male-dominated environment where, where many workers had stay-at-home spouses.

Um, and my husband and I both work.

Um, I think he had the same challenge in that most of his coworkers had stay-at-home spouses, and, and I was the working spouse too.

So we, we absolutely shared in that together.

I'm so curious what working alongside someone like Michael has taught you about how the world actually works.