In terms of the recording process, the writing it with the band, where do they come in?

Okay, so I work with these guys a lot over here in Brooklyn.

And so we all went and traipsed over to our other mate who's got a studio in Philadelphia.

And so we tracked the whole band there.

I came back and recorded my guitars and my vocals and then went over to see Joel Mulholland.

who I've known for such a long time and we've worked together before and it's so great.

So he just turned what we had as a band and just kind of blew it up and put his own guitars on there and then, you know, so just total co-production.

And in terms of, is there a musical thing or a sound or a thing happening in New York that you would love to see in New Zealand and vice versa when it comes to music?

So how long have you been living in Brooklyn for?

Well we've been here for about nearly three years but we did five years in Pennsylvania and three years in Queens before that so yeah it's kind of bounced around a little bit.

New York is, it's really tough and if you're not surviving, then it's just too hard to stick around and you just need to take a break.

Is this sort of the start of something with the two of you playing together or did you like it and you're going to leave it or what's happening

next? I love Dion.

I mean, he's so incredible live.

He's actually on tour, I think, over somewhere like France at the moment.

So he's like a busy guy, like really doing that Europe circuit.