I thought, um... [laughs] Uh, so talk to us a little bit about what made you change from journalism.

Yeah.

So, um, in 2003-- I'm sorry, in 2007 when I graduated, um, I was very fortunate.

I had been an, a photo intern at the Daily News Record.

Oh my gosh, this early in the morning I'm gonna have to remember the names of these papers.

But the Daily News Record in Harrisonburg gave me my first photography internship while I was still in school.

Um, when I graduated in 2007, uh, there weren't photography jobs available, but they brought me on as an editor of their journals.

How do you kind of handle these types of ups and downs and, and kind of the good, bad, and ugly of, of running your own business?