Those are the lists.

Yes.

And so you hear about that a lot in the publishing world.

Did your book make a list? And there's this perception, too, that if your book makes a list, it's a form of prestige.

It's an accolade.

It's a stamp of approval, not publishing the book itself.

the list is the achievement.

Did you actively... think, okay, I need to figure out how to reframe this and this is the reframe? Or was it in retrospect? Like, were you able to get yourself out of that moment? And if so, how?