I don't know whether it was a

stroke of genius.

I like the natural thinking involved.

But again, it was almost like blind ignorance.

I just thought, well, hold on.

They want to pay me 35 grand and they want to pay me 35 grand.

Why do I have to leave that business? I can do both of them at the same time.

Because that wasn't really what you were suited to or where your energy took you.

As I suppose, and I'll let you sort of explain it further, but a way to represent and advocate for the wider beauty industry.

So I'd always thought, because my dad was a hairdresser, I'd always thought, and I'd grown up in the industry, I felt that my friends and colleagues weren't really respected in the same way that people I knew in fashion were.

I'd also been on the sort of more fashion side of beauty.

So I'd worked with a lot of the hairdressers and makeup artists, did the work at shows and seen how, you know, TV and film, you can't do a lot of the things you do without hair and makeup.

But yet no one really ever talked about that.

I felt really frustrated with...

the fact that in the UK particularly, it was an unregulated industry where there was very little respect.

in the way

the idea where that came from why you needed to do that yeah it's a funny story because a lot

of it is based on my my dad's perception of what he did for a living as a young child he was a hairdresser his the duchess that he did or the baroness whose hair he did didn't invite him over for dinner didn't even talk to him as they walked past him on the street because he was just a laborer and so I think that sort of probably had an impact on his confidence and my dad ended up moving to LA to the states where clients were inviting him around for dinner and he was part of that social circle.

And so I think that there was always that sort of funny thing in the UK where we have such a class system that if you are of a labourer, there's this sort of white collar, blue collar thing.

And I felt that having gone through trying to be a hairdresser and all the other stuff that went with it, it is a real skill.

And I think I was awarded an MBE in 2011. for services to the cosmetics industry for Ruby and Millie.

And after that, I split up with my husband and I was dating and It's an embarrassing thing to tell people that you've got an MBE.

I don't know why it's embarrassing, but it is.

so what are those pieces of research about why why were they important