And apparently this is normal.

Look, Britain is the asset stripping nation.

It does everything it can to pull as much money out of people as possible.

In fact, this week is the Labour Party conference and Andy Burnham is claiming that he's going to reinvigorate social care and whatnot.

But there's a whole big debate between in fact it's been a massive division point between older people and younger people and the reason I believe that this division point has been created is because along in parallel with this there is there are multiple efforts there have been multiple efforts to get a It's just a dying bill through.

And really what the attempt here is to put in younger people's minds the idea that older people don't deserve to be on the planet because they are simply sucking the life out of them, the lifeblood out of them.

And so the narrative goes that older people require social care, younger people have to pay for that social care and that that's unfair in some way.

I mean, admittedly, I am going to struggle if I'm going to find a situation in which the sort of LGBT look, as it were, would sort of... um work by which i mean if you're going to have a system where people are cooperating um for for good outcomes and there is you know people feel that within that system they're being um but you know they're sort of they're having the life they want to i don't know this this could be sort of overly judgmental but but looking at people who who are like that you don't get the sense that there is a great degree of sort of discipline organization and i'm not saying i don't mean rigid discipline organization i just mean a sort of a framework a framework that that actually works and so uh i'm not sure whether i

I mean, what, how, how do you see it?

This, this upcoming event, I think is, is very much in the, uh, in the vein of, of, or in the inspired by, um, the alternative view conferences that Ian Crane used to run, which we were huge supporters of for years.

Uh, and Brian, traditionally at those events was, you know, the opening speaker on, on, uh, on the Saturday m- on the Saturday morning.

Yeah, the first real proper presentation of the entire event was usually Brian.

Uh, and that became a sort of meme.

Um, but, you know, the people...

Uh, I understand, uh, that, you know, events like this that are, you know, effectively two and a half days, three, whatever it is, uh, are significantly expensive, and for some people, too expensive.

Uh, it's absolutely not the case that life just continues, which is why I sometimes get a little bit despondent when, when, when I hear about, you know, people no longer supporting, um, UK Column because UK Column will continue to do the work it did pre-2020 and during 2020, if that makes sense.

You're talking about Charles?

I'm talking about Charles, yes.

He is, he is the embodiment of, of the state, as it were, and he's supposed to, to play a role.

Now, that role has been, uh, given up by, uh, the last, well, this and the previous monarch at the very least.

And, uh, um, a- and so, you know, th- these things are basically all done on his behalf now by Privy Council or whatever, whoever it happens to be.

It's just a rubber stamping exercise, the giving of royal assent now.

Um, uh, and, uh, so, you know, he, uh, gives the King's Speech every year, which is the government's agenda for the coming parliament and so, or, uh, well, at least at the beginning of every parliamentary session he does this.

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It's now probably moved mostly to mobile.

Uh, it, uh, I think it's about 50/50 at the moment still.

Um, certainly f- 50, it's, it's over 50% are using mobile devices.

That, that's for sure.

Um, the thing about, uh, the thing about forums, uh, because this is clearly where, th- this is, it comes back to the, the protest pen comment that I made earlier.

The thing about forums in the early days was that they were focused around, uh, a particular topic, you know, in our case, the news or the, or, or current affairs, whatever you want to describe it, but, but there were, you know, the ...

Have, have forums for everything.

Now, where does UK Column go to from here?

Um, I know that they don't get much traction, but I'm hoping that there will be a few people in time who will appreciate, um, this kind of, uh, discourse.

Uh, I mean, fr-from my point of view, um, you know, one of the things that I really enjoy is discovering things about parts of the world that I haven't been to or that I don't otherwise know that much about.

I mean, I know from a geo-geopolitical, a certain amount from a geopolitical perspective, but, uh, I know almost nothing about what it's actually like to live in, uh, in countries in Africa.

Um, and I certainly know almost nothing about, uh, the development that has been going on in Africa, particularly since the beginning of the Belt and Road Initiative.

And, and, uh, uh, this is just something I, I want to understand a lot better.

I want to understand what, uh, impact is actually happening on the ground.

Um, I was s-speaking to a guy who's no longer with us, uh, from Chad, um, what, f-f... probably nearly ten years ago.

But now this is where the whole, the whole filtering of negativity and positivity and of course neutrality or truth, shall we say, um, comes in.

Um, why do it in this way? Why not just give a simple grant? Why, why in this format?

Sure.

Well, a few things.

I think that if you look at capital as a sole determinant of health, and we've been blessed to have really sound financial management over the years at Hawaii Pacific Health, and you...

If we can put that capital to use, and we wanna make sure that it's sustainable, uh, we felt that a loan is probably the best way to go.

And it's also a practice that is, uh, being done through, uh, you know, very progressive organizations, healthcare organizations across the country.

So we also had a model to work with, and it coincided really well with all the great work that other community-based organizations like Hawaii Community Foundation were championing.

Yeah.

It's like the distraction economy.

No, but, but this issue of, of feeling ex-exhausted all the time is a, an absolutely real thing and, and, uh, you know, I, I hear friends and family talking about their, their work colleagues just constantly being exhausted or, you know, uh, they're constantly off on the sick or whatever it happens to be.

This is, this is a combination of, um, you know, people's lifestyles, diets, but it's also the fact that they are generally finding themselves in employment, which offers them absolutely nothing in terms of, uh, motivation to get up in the morning or any kind of, uh, r-real sort of sense of achievement or sense of actually doing something, uh, useful for society, uh, or for themselves.

And, and inevitably, these days, people are, uh, being underpaid for what they're doing.

And so, um, so as a result, the motivation isn't there.

People are...

But you know what? This, this might seem, uh, really anecdotal and actually quite silly in some ways, but, but, uh, my observation of life is that, you know, if, if you need the energy for a particular task, the energy will appear.

That's the last thing.

This is b- kind of accepting, um, what, what the government is doing."

Well, my argument on that would be, uh, that, that we have to pick our battles.

We have to choose our battles and, and, uh, you know, we could die on that hill, and we could say, uh, "Right.

This is gonna end up, um, with the potential that Ofcom is gonna fine us 10% of our turnover and which we can't afford to, to hand over to them." Um, or we can, we can, uh, do our best to, to navigate our way through it and stay on our core mission, which is to, to, uh, stop this kind of no- nonsense happening in the first place.

Um, and, uh, so, you know, I, I, I completely understand that, that position.

But, you know, w- what did we do in 2014 when the last time Ofcom, well, their subsidiary was, was going after us? We, we, we effectively shut down the, uh, YouTube channel at that point, and s- and then we used that as a, as a, uh, a launchpad for a campaign effectively, which, which, uh, um, ended up with that subsidiary being closed.

So y- you know, I don't think w- I don't think we're gonna be able to go quite the same way in this instance.

Uh, why must you play on turf on which you're not welcome?

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... a willingness to simply, uh, regurgitate and promote every press release that comes from government.

And, um, they've done this for a very long time.

Uh, now a lot of the, um, a lot of the, the, the reason for the fact that those, uh, organizations have been finding things increasingly challenging from a financial point of view has been put down to the, uh, difficult transition from print media to digital media, and the fact that advertising revenues have fallen and all these kinds of things.

And so they're scrambling around trying to look for, um, other revenue sources.

The bottom line here is that you can't fool your customer, and their customers are the general public, and the general public aren't stupid, no matter how much people like to think that they are.

Uh, and so they recognize when they're being propagandized.

Go on, Mike.

It makes you feel like there's meaning and purpose again.

Yeah, but I think, um, when we go to these places, if we go to a museum or we go to somewhere that has massive cultural he- heritage, we're going there as consumers.

Um, and while there's, uh, something to be found in that which is, which may be inspirational, it helps us get to make connections with our roots or whatever it happens to be, it's still an act of consumption.

And, um, of course, what has happened in the smartphone era is that we have become consumers exclusively.

There's, there's a few people that are producing stuff.

Most of it's dross.

Um, but, but we are generally consumers.

And if you render human labor obsolete, you're also rendering creative labor obsolete, um, which means that you, you're creating zombies, um, and zombies are not creative.

So how does the conditioner then sort of help and prevent the sort of stuff and, yeah, sort of heal the drying and the cracking, if you like?

It's got a lot to do with all the ingredients in it, so it helps keep teats soft and supple and hydrated, like it adds a bit of a barrier to the skin.

All that nutrients that's in there, you know, sort of helps keep out that, you know, the harsh weather and all that moisture that gets in there and then it sort of dries it out.

uh sort of cracks that it's sort of like in our product we have manuka honey which is world renowned for um the healing abilities it has and all the extra vitamins it has in it and then you have aloe vera which we know is used in cosmetics for ourselves um and that's that aloe vera plays a big part with the manuka honey so it's kind of a bit like us really like I was looking at you just now and, you know, your skin condition's looking pretty good.

You obviously use a bit of cosmetic cream or something in the mornings, but then you look at myself, I'm starting to look a wee bit weathered, you know, like an old red band gumboot sitting out in the rain for a couple of weeks.

So it's just all about protecting that skin and just sort of creating a barrier and giving all that nutrients that comes out of that product.

When's the best time to apply? And also the frequency, I suppose, of application as well.

So in the early lactation period, when they come in for calving, you sort of want to have around that 12 to 15% extra emollient.

So how does the conditioner then sort of help and prevent this sort of stuff and, yeah, sort of heal the drying and the cracking, if you like?

It's got a lot to do with all the ingredients in it.

So it helps keep teeth soft and supple and hydrated.

Like it adds a bit of a barrier to the skin.

All that nutrients that's in there, you know, sort of helps keep out that you know the harsh weather and all that moisture that gets in there and then it sort of dries it out uh sort of cracks and it's sort of like in our product we have manuka honey which is world-renowned for um the healing abilities it has and all the extra vitamins it has in it and then you have aloe vera which we know is used in cosmetics for ourselves um and that's that aloe vera plays a big part with the manuka honey so it's kind of a bit like us really like looking at you um just now and you know your skin condition's looking pretty good uh you obviously use a bit of uh cosmetic cream or something in the mornings and but then you look at myself and starting to look a wee bit withered uh you know like an old red band gumboot sitting out in the rain for a couple of weeks so it's just all about protecting that skin and um just sort of creating a barrier and giving all that nutrients that comes out of that product

When's the best time to apply? And also the frequency, I suppose, of application as well.

So in the early lactation period, when they come in for calving, you sort of want to have around that 12 to 15% extra emollient.

And, you know, if they're coming off out of the, well, you know, out of the paddock, you know, during winter and they're going in for their first thing, so there can be a lot of mud, dryness and all that sort of thing.

Such as?

Well, lots of things.

A lot of libraries are disposing of particularly map collections, physical maps, uh, atlases, um, and all sorts.

I actually was approached for three different slide collections, which I could argue were all of national significance.

Now, I am very limited in the space that we have to offer, but I think they're all important documents.

Some of them were aerial photographs from the '60s and '70s all over Scotland.

You know, there's a lot of real history in these slides, and we are probably more conscious than some because our organization's been around since the 1880s, so we actually have slide collections that date back from that period, and actually earlier.

Mm.

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I was like, "I don't wanna play jazz." Uh, [laughs] found out what a producer was, um, and then just started kinda making some really bad demos and things like that for people, and trying to piece it together.

Um, my roommate was a producer once.

I was a junior in college, and he was a little older than I was.

Um, so I got to be around it a little bit and see, like, what his sessions looked like-

But I-

Well, and I've learned to have those conversations earlier too, 'cause it's always, it makes everybody feel better, even if it's sort of in the back of your head or subconscious kinda thing.

Like, I did a camp recently that, uh, was, it was sort of a K-pop camp.

I want

to say something, though, that's really great for me as an outsider listening to this.

I want to say just what an amazing place America is for hunting.

Praise the Lord.

Because as someone from outside where there isn't an acre of public land available, where getting access to a firearm is nigh on impossible, all right? And then permission to use it is incredibly difficult.

The fact that you guys can go to private high fence, low fence, whatever, there is millions of acres of public land available by law, and wise people in the past have made that happen.

And the fact that you can go there, whether you draw a tag, over the counter, whatever, and you can go and hunt, and you can get a firearm, and you have this choice, and you have this ability to go and do it, is extraordinary.

I'm telling you, this

But, uh, Brock, a few things stood out to both of us, and I'll start here as he starts to look at what this next version of the Seahawks is going to have to look like.

I will say one thing if, to any, any players out there that may be listening to your show.

This season is gonna be scrappy as hell.

You gonna have to scrap.

I'm talking about, like, you know what I mean? 'Cause I never thought...

I thought Tyler Lockett would be a lifer as a Seahawk.

I thought Bobby Wagner would be a lifer.

And some of that, I think, comes from your offensive philosophy.