But have you found, like, along the creative shifting, Mike, Have you guys implemented anything along those lines? Or what are you thinking for create, you know, different ways to do that? Yeah,

so we've dabbled in it.

I don't know if we've really gone full bore into it.

But we've tried to with certain SAV member.

One that comes to mind is we had a gentleman that just had a child.

And the family was looking at a way to save on daycare.

And so he worked first shift, and he wanted to move to second shift.

Have you found other industries that produce people who are good for healthcare?

What made you convinced in your own life that it's actually very true and possible that God is not only real and alive, but that God speaks and we can experience hearing him?

Well, I mean, for me, it really involved sort of inner healing prayer.

In the summer of, like I said, the first 20 years of my faith in Jesus was really felt like dry obedience and like talking about the love of God, but not experiencing the love of God, feeling like you're, you're doing sin management and, and, and trying to be good by your own efforts and, and really not feeling sort of any sort of victory.

It felt like a lot of futility and yet like, like Peter says to, to Jesus, where else am I going to go? You have the words of eternal life, but it kind of sucks to be here.

That's my own translation.

And so, so it was, it was reading Neil Anderson's, the bondage breaker and the subtitle and the bondage breaker is overcoming irrational thoughts, negative feelings, habitual sins.

And I just like checked all three of those boxes and I, And he really sets up all sorts of stuff in there in order to go through these prayer exercises that are at the end of the book.

But no, for real, like, can you lay out some different ways God communicates? Because that will be an invitation for us to pay attention to.