What are the repercussions of what he wants to do and the way he and the administration has done it?

And I think, Charlie, that's a good way to frame it.

First is the impact of what the administration has done here.

They say they're trying to make America safer.

I really believe that what they've done is going to make us less safe.

Let me walk through that.

First of all, there was already significant, I wouldn't say extreme, but significant vetting of individuals from these countries.

Where do you, on torture, and where is the, where is CIA people whose consideration is the national security of the United States? Where were they in this argument that, gained some conversation last week about black sites, about water boiling and about extreme measures.