Mm

... they've encouraged nature.

It's not, I probably wouldn't say it was rewilding, but it, it certainly, it's inc- increasing the biodiversity while still being a productive farm.

Um, you know, you can find quite a lot of people like that, um, you know, who are keen to experiment on ways of getting more nature into land.

I think at the national scale, it's a matter of trying to tailor management in the right place, and, and actually the, the government published a land use framework for England for the first time, which sets out some of the principles around that.

So it has some official recognition.

But the places where we can grow food sustainably and productively, you know, the places that produce most of our food and can do it in a way that doesn't result in lots of soil erosion, for example, well, we should go on doing that, and we should really target.

Right