It's just that like, are you gonna be okay? Like, are you actually like taking steps to like make yourself part of society in some capacity? So I guess with that particular topic, as you started to play more shows and start to be more active in general, was the notion of tour daunting for you? Or was that something that you were just chomping at the bit to go on your first

tour? I think it was a mixture of learning how to balance having a job and taking time off.

But also, I was like, tour looks like the coolest thing ever.

So I was itching to just try it out, just play wherever I can.

I was so used to just playing the Central Coast that I was like, I never thought I'd play LA or never thought I'd play the Bay.

It was like a really big thing to just go a few hours outside of Lompoc.

So the first actual tour I think I ever did was... uh, some friends of mine, they had this band called cold curse.

Um, or was there other differences that, you know, really pulled you more closely in?

Yeah.

Um, and yeah, I thought it ended up being really cool.

I think, um, Shadow Boxing, that was a major contribution from Dre.

And for that, that was one where I was truly like kind of taken aback 'cause I was like, whoa, this is like really different, and I'm almost having a hard time kinda writing to this in a way.

But then, uh, when it came to tracking the leads like the night before, like the, the main lead in that song like kind of just came to me, just randomly.

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But it's so much fun.