Mm.

So similarly as and when I got to different leadership levels, again, I had quite a few crossroad moments where, um, I was looking to stretch myself and inhabit different worlds rather than again, go down a, a single specialist track.

Um, but interesting you say about sort of the different crossroads or pivots.

Um, I quite often in my first few years in the sector, I think consciously or subconsciously, maybe I was a bit hypersensitive, but I definitely received, or I felt when receiving from various people's comments down the years of, um, you know, the ...

A little bit of that, when are you gonna get a proper job kind of, um, mention.

And sort of sometimes those were quite either overt, you know, literally, or, or, you know, "When are you gonna get a proper job?" Uh, and other time it was just that sort of slightly, slight feeling you'd get.

Um, but if ever I actually turned, thinking back to my childhood, whenever I thought, you know, sometimes people would say, "Okay, well, what would be your ideal job?" You know, "What, what are you going to do? What do you want to do?" And I, I, I dunno, I just, I genuinely don't know.

And, and how did you cope with that in terms of your own personal head space?