For a train wreck, is there a notable time something's gone spectacularly wrong for you on stage you can look back and laugh about now?

Yes, of course, you know, 46 years on the road, things are bound to go wrong.

I mean, it's, it's everything from, so, uh, in, in the very early days when all I had was a Rhodes and a, and a secondhand mini Moog, I would be literally going on stage before we went on stage and with a long, thin screwdriver trying to get the unisons on the mini Moog, because they would have drifted between the sound check and the gig forever.

Um, I wish I'd kept that bloody Minimoog cause it was, you know, it was an early Mark Minimoog and how they, they, they changed in iteration.

I mean, I've got a, I've got one from 1979 now, which was better because it stayed more in tune and it's still got great sound.

But, you know, I've played other mini Moogs, which are particularly fat in a particular area.

I mean, that wasn't so much of a train crash, but I did have a train crash once when we were doing the ballad It's Over.

Tell us what you feel you're able to talk about it.

Oh, exciting.

Absolutely.

It's the band's first time and it's my first time.

Oh, wow.

And it's a country I've heard so much about, not least from my relatives that live on the North Island.

So I'm really looking forward to coming for Lots of reasons.

Can you please explain this Kiwi connection? Okay, so Aunty Betty went over to New Zealand, married a New Zealander, had three sons.

I

Sure.

So we'd sort of get around to each other's flat and listen to records and stuff.

And when we eventually started a group, we started as an instrumental group inspired by those musicians that I've mentioned.

And we were jamming at, I'd hide the percussion room at the Guildhall for our first ever jam sessions.

And Phil and Boone, the two brothers, Boone played guitar.

Their older brother, one of their older brothers, John, was working at MCA Records, and he knew that there was a guy with an independent label that was looking to sign a band.

And he told him, oh, my brothers are in a band.

Yeah.