What role does utopianism play in this long history of spiritual but not religious?

Yeah.

So the shaman lives on the edge of society.

He doesn't live...

He lives in a tent that resembles a cave, and he conducts these wild ceremonies outside in his, in his tent.

People come, and they pay him a little bit, and it's, he doesn't live in the city.

He doesn't like the city.

How do they fit into this story?

Uh, how do you get across the argument that you want to be doing the decommissioning, and it's got benefits that outweigh the temptation for a kicking-the-can-down-the-road attitude? And how would you get private finance to embrace it as well?

It's, it's a very good question.

I like-- And I think that's the, the kind of timeliness of this discussion.

I think that, that there are the issues that, um, many countries are grappling with at the moment, certainly the UK.

The funding side is m- more challenging.

Obviously, you know, governments are more pressed for money, and they're, they're, they're focusing their spending in, in, in areas that ensure safety.

You know, so as we're seeing the mon- the money spent in the UK to ensure, you know, that the highest hazards are addressed, and that's a very appropriate approach.

It's, it's how do we move it to the next step? And then for decommissioning, how do we harness the enterprise-level ability globally to be able to do that with? And, and I think we're moving in that direction in both areas.

What had to be saw at the silicon level that nobody else was able to crack in developing a chip of this nature?

Well, the first thing is a willingness to believe that the drone market will be big enough to support custom silicon.

So, so far, as far as I know, the only company that has ever developed custom silicon for drones is DJI itself.

They've done that around the radio and sensor fusion stack because they recognize the benefits of integrating everything together, both in terms of cost, but also in terms of timing and latency of the signals and the shared state of the drone in one kind of common platform.

to make it easier to build.

Other companies, I think, including other semiconductor companies and other players in the drone market have looked at it and said, well, we don't have the volume to support a custom silicon device.

And we've looked at the market and said, well, drones are just the first of a bigger wave of physical AI.

So tell us about HIFIX and what is it doing now and what are some of its next steps to bring this wider into the marketplace?

As you talk with drone manufacturers, what are some of the biggest problems that they face in addition to not having a good set of integrated chips available?

Well, I think that, um, two jump out at me.

Well, three really jump out at me.

One is radio range for a good video link.

Another is time to market, so how long it takes to get a drone into production given that you need to integrate these different disparate systems together.

And third is cost.

I mean, the cost targets for the consumer and commercial drones that have been set out there and that have been established primarily by DJI are very aggressive, and people like that, and they're able to get a good ROI out of their equipment quickly at those numbers.

... products, and what do they, what do they do?

Because, I mean, let me just ask, Where do you see the biggest opportunities in the next three to five years?

Well, I think drones and robotics, physical AI is going to be an absolutely tremendous business opportunity.

Clearly right now, LLMs and generative AI is really where the action is at.

But I don't think you have to look too far forward to see something like Waymo scaling to millions of vehicles.

And that really driving a whole new type of economy where physical work can be highly automated.

And given physical work is like 70% of the total GDP on the planet, I think it could be incredibly transformational.

And really free up people's time kind of completely.

How far away are we from it, actually?

Yeah, especially in very complex situations.

That's it.

Yeah.

And I think, I mean, what I would say is the basics are still, I still do the basics consistently.

So I've got a few steps to run through and some ideas for people.

So one of the first, and everyone's heard it, but it is still massively important, multi-factor authentication on everything you've got, personal and business, make sure you've got it turned on where possible.

Now, some organizations or some services still don't let you have that.

Yeah, finally, what advice would you give to a charity that wants to strengthen its cybersecurity but doesn't know where to start?

I've got to be honest with you, when I hear a guy playing tennis is going to be doing the tackling today, I'm not too intimidated.

Yeah, well, I just did, let's see, I did chess yesterday at the gym and I did 265 for four reps.

So, you know, you don't think tennis players...

It can be a little big, too.

Get it,

I

hold my balls all the time and even have an additional bucket.

You know, I've got the pin, Ocean Court.

I've got to be honest with you, when I hear a guy playing tennis is going to be doing the tackling today, I'm not too intimidated.

Yeah, well, I just did, let's see, I did chess yesterday at the gym and I did 265 for four reps.

So, you know, if you don't think tennis players...

It can be a little big, too.

Get it,

All right,

great.

I hold my balls all the time and even have an additional bucket.