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Mike Cox

Mike Cox

American attorney and politician

Sep 18, 2026

109:34
Do you notice that? And what do you think of that strategy?
109:37
You know, obviously, AES is a lightning rod, and he does say things that I think most Michiganders just don't believe in or follow in, right? And it is more of a stretch, quite frankly, with Jocelyn Benson.
109:55
She is very astute, very adept at sidetracking, taking any stands at all.
110:03
I mean, when asked if she's for Medicare for All, she merely, instead of saying yes or no, she merely says, I'm for anything that makes health care more affordable.
110:15
And so the biggest problem is I think some of the The media, outside of what you do, they have to hit her more on not saying what she's for.
110:26
But, of course, John's going to have to do that as well.
110:29
I mean, in contrast, like, you know, Doug Lloyd, who's a Republican attorney general running for attorney general, or excuse me, nominee, obviously.
111:25
And that's not just politics.
0:08
What do you make of the race right now and the current polling that you're seeing, and what kind of campaign is John James running?
0:14
The poll we saw last week, down by four points.
0:16
That's a good spot to be for Republicans.
0:19
I don't know what it is, but Republicans are always late closers.
0:22
The big thing is John is just gonna have to keep pounding every day and raise money.
3:03
Do you notice that? And what do you think of that strategy?
3:05
You know, obviously, AES is a lightning rod.
3:12
And he does, he does say things that I think most Michiganders just don't believe in or follow in.
3:19
Right.
3:19
Uh, And it is more of a stretch, quite frankly, with Jocelyn Benson.
3:24
She is very astute, very adept at sidetracking, taking any stands at all.
3:32
I mean, when asked if she's for Medicare for All, she merely, instead of saying yes or no, she merely says, I'm for anything that makes health care more affordable.
4:54
And that's not just politics.
27:57
Um, so I know you have to be fairly diplomatic because you're a Republican and whatnot, but what do you make of the race right now and the current polling that you're seeing, and what kind of campaign is John James running, in your opinion?
28:11
Uh, I, I think, uh, the poll we saw last week, down by four points, uh, that's kinda...
28:17
That's a good spot to be for Republicans a week out from Labor Day.
28:23
Uh, I don't know what it is, but Republicans are always late closers.
28:27
Uh, Republican voters [laughs] tend to be, uh, a little, little later in coming into the fold in terms of closing.
28:34
Uh, if you, if you remember, Michael Patrick, I was down all during my race against Gary Peters.
28:39
I was down eight points according to the Detroit Free Press the Thursday before the election, and, and I beat him.
31:18
But I read in MIRS News that you and the former Attorney General Schuette are in an interesting position to note that you think Elie Savit has a pattern of unethical conduct, and that's not just politics?
18:01
I didn't know what I was
18:02
reading.
18:04
What possessed you to do this? It's a sad day when you...
18:09
aren't being a pig and people think that's a big idea.
18:14
Now I, I, you know, no one, I was kind of shocked when he called me.
18:20
I just thought it's what you do, right? Every other race went down to the wire.
18:25
And quite frankly, I blew every dollar.
23:08
Are there any changes? Can you think of any changes you would make to, you know, Michigan law to give donors more control and hold these former candidates accountable for these leftover funds?
1:24
[laughs]
1:24
You know? No, I, I, you know, n- Nolan, I, I was kind of shocked when he called me.
1:30
Uh, I just thought, it's what you do, right? I...
1:33
Every other race went down to the wire, and quite frankly, I blew every dollar.
1:38
You know, i- if you wake up the day after election and you have $1 left in, in your coffers, uh, there's something wrong.
1:46
Right? Because it's like, you go all out.
1:49
Uh, and as I explained to Nolan, you know, I had a, a first horrible poll July 3rd, where John had jumped up 15 points, the first poll we had done after Trump endorsed.

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7:09
Yeah, that's exactly right.
2:11
day with the department and what were you doing?
2:14
You know, I was an outsider.
2:18
Born and raised in South Dakota.
2:22
Had moved to Las Vegas to work on the Nevada test site as part of an environmental watchdog group associated with Yucca Mountain and got to do a lot of cool stuff from Noosing lizards.
2:41
Oh, wow.
2:42
To doing a bunch of small mammal work, Gamble's quail, all kinds of cool stuff.
2:50
But I was... think I said earlier it was a gift like I broke the ice like this guy from nobody knew me and I you know I just finished up my masters three years ago and so they hired me as a regional supervisor and all my employees were like anywhere from five years to 30 years older than me and And I was overwhelmed.

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speaker_3UNKNOWN
16:55
Mm-hmm.
30:13
This is pretty normal, standard economic growth stuff, so why haven't we been able to accomplish it?
30:21
Y- you know, amongst the tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars in political ads today, uh, sometimes we lose sight of the fundamentals, right? Uh, so, uh, we have a Senate candidate talking about Medicare for all, more money in people's pockets, and get money out of politics.
30:41
Well, it sounds cool.
30:42
Yeah, okay, great.
30:43
But what does that really mean? Well, number one, uh, the First Amendment, uh, kind of limits the ability to get money out of politics.
30:52
Number two, uh, government's been taking more and more of our money and, and that guy, A- Abdul El-Sayed, wants to take even more.
31:00
And Medicare for all, it's a great concept, but if- if you're a union member, that means that your healthcare is likely gonna be impacted adversely.
32:41
Where do you believe government is making, you know, everyday life more expensive?
1:04
So why haven't we been able to accomplish it?
1:08
Y- you know, amongst the tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars in political ads today, uh, sometimes we lose sight of the fundamentals, right? Uh, so, uh, we have a Senate candidate talking about Medicare for all, more money in people's pockets, and get money out of politics.
1:28
Well, it sounds cool.
1:30
Yeah, okay, great, but what does that really mean? Well, number one, uh, the First Amendment, uh, kinda limits the ability to get money out of politics.
1:39
Number two, uh, government's been taking more and more of our money and, and that guy, A- Abdul El-Sayed, wants to take even more.
1:48
And Medicare for All, it's a great concept, but if, if you're a union member, that means that your healthcare is likely gonna be impacted adversely.
1:57
If, if you're a senior, that means that there's gonna be less dollars for your Medicare.
3:28
Where do you believe government is making, you know, everyday life more expensive?
17:06
What ultimately did you see behind the scenes that you felt now was the time to suspend your campaign?
17:14
Well, sadly, it was a matter of math.
17:18
I had tied John James internally and external polls the week of June 15th and felt great.
17:28
And then Donald Trump came along on Monday, June 22nd.
17:33
and endorsed John, and that just changed the world, right? It changed the primary.
17:39
You know, we did a poll about the 1st and 2nd of July.
17:45
Perry and I were 15 back from John.
speaker_6UNKNOWN
20:34
Jocelyn Benson doesn't have an
51:20
What ultimately did you see behind the scenes that you felt now was the time to suspend your campaign?
51:29
Well, sadly, it was a matter of math.
51:33
I had tied John James internally and external polls the week of June 15th and felt great.
51:42
And then Donald Trump came along on Monday, June 22nd.
51:47
and endorsed John, and that just changed the world, right? It changed the primary.
51:54
We did a poll about the 1st and 2nd of July.
51:59
Perry and I were 15 back from John.
54:49
doesn't have an answer for that.
0:29
What ultimately did you see behind the scenes that you felt now was the time to suspend your campaign?
0:37
Well, sadly, it was a matter of math.
0:41
I had tied John James internally and external polls the week of June 15th and felt great.
0:51
And then Donald Trump came along on Monday, June 22nd.
0:56
and endorsed John, and that just changed the world, right? It changed the primary.
1:02
You know, we did a poll about the first and second of July.
1:08
Perry and I were 15 back from John.
3:57
Jocelyn Benson doesn't have an answer for that.
12:26
40 years old,
12:26
which I think is really simple.
12:28
So a little more money, you know, in young people's pockets allows them to buy that first house here in Michigan.
12:35
And then once they do that, they start to plant roots.
12:37
What else does it do, Paul? Well, there's 900,000 small businessmen and women out there.
12:43
I'm proud to be one of them.
12:45
And we create two thirds of all the new jobs here in Michigan, across the country.
16:37
Didn't you fight big energy before as
2:46
40 years old,
2:47
which I think is really simple.
2:49
So a little more money, you know, in young people's pockets allows them to buy that first house here in Michigan.
2:55
And then once they do that, they start to plant roots.
2:58
What else does it do, Paul? Well, there's 900,000 small businessmen and women out there.
3:04
I'm proud to be one of them.
3:05
And we create two thirds of all the new jobs here in Michigan, across the country.
6:58
Didn't you fight big energy before as
44:39
What has the reaction been, uh, to, uh, last week's debate on the campaign trail?
44:47
You know, it's, it's been great.
44:49
Uh, uh, like you said, it was a tad bit contentious.
44:53
Uh, I'd like to say it was a little spicy, right? Uh, and Republicans are anxious for a winner, so, uh, I think it was important to have a spicy debate and get issues out there and see where people, see what people are saying and what they're actually doing and the, the things they're talking about.
45:11
So I was up, uh, up north.
45:13
I hit the Traverse City Cherryfest Parade.
45:16
I had a lot of events up north and down, then all, all coming down 75, and everywhere I went, people were happy.

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52:18
And, and, and just for, for our audience here who may not have seen the debate, what would a day one of a term of a Governor Mike Cox look like?
1:02
What has the reaction been, uh, to, uh, last week's debate on the campaign trail?
1:09
You know, it's, it's been great.
1:11
Uh, uh, like you said, it was a tad bit contentious.
1:15
Uh, I'd like to say it was a little spicy, right? Uh, and Republicans are anxious for a winner, so, uh, I think it was important to have a spicy debate and get issues out there, and see where people...
1:29
see what people are saying and what they're actually doing, and the, the things they're talking about.
1:33
So I was up, uh, up north.
1:36
I hit the Traverse City Cherryfest Parade.

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8:40
And, and, and just for, for our audience here who may not have seen the debate, what would a day one of a term of a Governor Mike Cox look like?
87:49
What are we spending our money on?
87:53
Brother, I have no idea, right? We've actually increased $30 billion from 56.8 billion to 86.6 billion.
88:02
And if you think about that, Steve, that's 3,000 more per year for every single resident.
88:08
So if you're in a family of four, that means government is spending 12 grand more And you're paying that extra price.
88:16
You know, it may be hidden in fees and things you don't always call taxes, but we're all paying that 12 grand more per family.
88:24
And so when people talk about the cost of living, it's not just the fighting with the utilities, which I did and won.
88:31
It's just not cracking down in big insurance companies like Blue Cross.
90:50
What are your thoughts on the income tax in Michigan?
1:47
They're a billion dollar a year company,
1:49
Lloyd.
1:50
This is, you know, unfortunately, the media isn't as big as it used to be.
1:56
So there isn't a whole lot of coverage on the fact that he's been an outsourcer.
2:00
There's not a whole lot of coverage and a whole lot of things many of the candidates say.
2:05
And so candidates say things unchecked until they get to debate.
2:10
And, you know, At the end of the day, these issues we talked about last night aren't big secrets in the sense that Jocelyn Benson's team knows that he got $2 million from the MEDC and didn't pay it back.
3:47
How important are those in building Michigan back to where we should be as a top 10 state population-wise, but not in the education system?
1:48
So what's your strategy tonight? What's your messaging?
1:53
Hey, just speak the truth.
1:55
You know, I've been running for 19 months now.
1:57
I've gone everywhere.
1:58
I've participated in more debates than John or Perry ever.
2:03
I'm a firm believer the more people hear me talk, and the more they hear me talk about what I want to do to fix education here in Michigan, what I want to do to turn our economy around, that the more voters I'll get.
2:17
It's a pretty easy proposition.
3:53
And he's going to have to answer it once and for all in front of everybody.
88:40
So what's your strategy tonight? What's your messaging?
88:44
Hey, just speak the truth.
88:46
You know, I've been running for 19 months now.
88:49
I've gone everywhere.
88:49
I've participated in more debates than John or Perry.
88:55
I'm a firm believer the more people hear me talk...
88:58
And the more they hear me talk about what I want to do to fix education here in Michigan, what I want to do to turn our economy around, that the more voters I'll get.
93:43
Will you call John James a hypocrite to his face tonight?
4:03
In a nutshell, importing cheap foreign parts from China is hurting the U.S. auto industry.
4:18
Ladies and gentlemen, I think it's kind of fitting, and please let me know or raise your hand if you can't hear me.
4:23
I think it's kind of fitting that it's a beautiful sunny day here because they say that sunshine is the best antiseptic.
4:32
Today's press conference is about calling out hypocrisy.
4:35
Today's press conference is about John James saying one thing in public and doing something totally different with his private business life and profiting off that.
4:46
Today is about John James putting profits over the people and the jobs that he's supposed to protect in Congress as an elected official from the state of Michigan.
4:57
Today's press conference is about shining a little light on the truth and identifying the hypocrisy.

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LizCORRESPONDENT
18:44
what is your call to action for James to get off these cars?
19:04
Talk to us about that message and whether it's resonating.
19:06
It absolutely is.
19:08
As you know, Scott, I was down 40 points in the polls.
19:12
This week I'm tied.
19:14
And I'm really talking about the everyday concerns of regular Michiganders, right? Folks struggling.
19:20
I'm the son of a carpenter, son of a maid.
19:22
And, you know, my brother-in-law builds F-150 trucks.
20:47
Do you find that coming up in your conversations out on the campaign trail?
19:33
Talk to us about that message and whether it's resonating.
19:36
It absolutely is.
19:37
As you know, Scott, I was down 40 points in the polls.
19:42
This week I'm tied.
19:43
And I'm really talking about the everyday concerns of regular Michiganders, right? Folks struggling.
19:49
I'm the son of a carpenter, son of a maid.
19:52
And, you know, my brother-in-law builds F-150 trucks.
21:17
Do you find that coming up in your conversations out on the campaign trail?
PaulAUDIENCE
48:03
That
48:04
one act has created an incredible break in credibility.
48:08
And so now that data centers are coming along, people are understandably very, very upset.
48:14
They want to have local control over, you know, things that may impact the character of the community.
48:20
And Ryan, I think everyone should understand that that's logical.
48:24
We all pick kind of different communities we want to go to, right? My kid's like urban areas.
48:31
My wife and I like a suburban area.
Clay MagouyrkSOUNDBITE_SPEAKER
52:21
Last
1:09
Where are you on this topic?
1:12
Well, you know, I think the governor's problem is that when she pushed through the Clean Energy and Jobs Act in 2023, you know, the so-called Green Energy Bill, she took away the ability of every local community to control whether wind farms, solar farms, and battery storages could come to their communities.
1:35
Took that away from them, which had been a right for communities since we became a state in 1837.
1:40
Took that away.
1:42
and put it with the Public Service Commission.
1:45
That one act has created an incredible break in credibility.
1:50
And so now that data centers are coming along, people are understandably very, very upset.
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