So what was going through your mind at that time?

Yeah, there's a lot to unpack there, Norm.

So first of all, I have always been, so I have an engineering degree.

So I used to do engineering literally decades ago.

I did that for a number of years, then moved into a marketing role in the engineering space and software space for a while.

So that was sort of my transition back in the 90s.

So I think analytically, I think very objectively, I think.

And so please tell us all about that.

[laughs] Hey, I'm, I'm open here, so whatever you got.

No, be careful there.

You know, I had...

I, I'm writing a new book, so it's almost done, and it's about the rituals that I live by in my, uh, in this new sort of period of my life, and, and they're mostly, mostly health-oriented, fitness-oriented type, lifestyle-oriented type of things.

And I was writing about one of the rituals, and I was writing about my general physician, who was the general physician I went to since I was in high school, so talking the mid-'80s.

Went high school, adulthood, and then he had the audacity to retire a few years ago.

And I love this guy.

... uh, uh, I mean, you-- I don't see any, any issues with you because you're, you're taking this on and you're doing it well, but, but with people you talk to, do you... or people you know, do you s- do you see any s-signs of where poor health tends to create a, a more of a negative image in that person and they seem just to be on a de-decline maybe not on- only because of their health has been lagging?