Can you pinpoint a couple of things that you think, maybe even you're practicing now in your own life with your kids, not to put that pressure, but to invite them into relationship with Jesus?

Yeah, so I feel like I'm doing significantly worse at all of these things that my parents did, right? Maybe I'm the rare millennial that doesn't blame my parents for all of my screw-ups, but actually is like, I appreciate them and I aspire to be what they were.

But they, I never, so ministry obviously wasn't easy for my parents.

Like the pastor of a church and very dysfunctional church when my parents got there in Winnipeg.

And then my dad was a seminary president for about 15 years during all of my formative growing up years in Winnipeg.

I can't remember a single time where my parents spoke negatively about the church.

And it wasn't because there weren't negative things that could have been said, but I just, I grew up having a very healthy, I think, and maybe a little naive in some ways, like, but I sort of think naive in the best way.

even I today, you know, I'll talk to somebody and I'll, I'm reading experiencing God for the first time and I just have a whole new understanding of my