Oh, yeah.

Um, but I think that drove a change in- How do you build and manage a culture of a company, which is so central to making companies successful, is making the people successful and keeping them engaged and, you know, aligning on your, not just your strategy, but your, your mission and the values that you're trying to set as a company.

So, um, the pandemic threw a big wrench in that, um, with the...

We all jumped onto Zoom and Teams and all the other platforms that we had, Google Meet.

Um, so I, I do think that was a big change and it's, it went to one extreme where everybody was like, "We don't need to be in an office." People are closing down office spaces.

But I do think there's a balance in between there that we've learned that I think is, is really critical.

I do, I really do believe over the decades that in-person interaction is really critical and central for, to accelerate innovation and productivity of teams and to get really especially complex things worked through together.

I'll let you tell the story, but I thought this was a great moment to capture.